Re: INTELLIVISION LE TOPIC (ENFIN) OFFICIEL

[Matari]

Un AtariAgé ?

[cmadruga]

Un AtariAgé ?

It is nice to take a break from AA!
Sorry for polluting your forum with English.

[Matari]

Here we are between french but welcome among us !

[drfloyd]

Glad you like it!
Je suis désolé, mais je ne parle pas (encore) votre belle langue.

Welcome, we are very fluent in english, no problemo ! 

[YannAros]

HELI dispo en version demat pour 10$ :
https://atariage.com/forums/topic/322254-heli-digital-bundle-is-now-available-limited-time-offer/

[Matari]

10€ ça fait chéros un jeu en démat inférieur à la version 2600 ! Sans moi...

[cmadruga]

10€ ça fait chéros un jeu en démat inférieur à la version 2600 ! Sans moi...

Sorry you don't like it. 
I am interested in your feedback, if you would be willing to send me a message in private.

[cmadruga]

HELI dispo en version demat pour 10$ :
https://atariage.com/forums/topic/322254-heli-digital-bundle-is-now-available-limited-time-offer/

Thanks, YannAros! I was going to post it here but you beat me to it.

[rickyordi]

Intéressant cet HELI en version démat, allez hop ! je fonce sur AtariAge en MP avec @cmadruga 

[drfloyd]

On a une video de H.E.L.I ?

[YannAros]

On a une video de H.E.L.I ?

https://youtu.be/GNZYGRDWb8k

[rickyordi]

C'est étrange je pensai que c'était un Père Noël, vu la démo qui tournait, mais je n'ai 
pas bien suivi, certainement que la démo était dispo au moment de Noël, mais c'est 
clair que je préfère la version originale ci-dessus 

[drfloyd]

l'ecran de jeu est vraiment trop petit selon moi.

[Matari]

10€ ça fait chéros un jeu en démat inférieur à la version 2600 ! Sans moi...

Sorry you don't like it. 
I am interested in your feedback, if you would be willing to send me a message in private.

I haven't tried it but a member (@Putois Blagueur) gave us feedback. HERO on INTV is a good thing (although the original on VCS 2600 looks better) but I think $10 is too expensive for a demat version. At €5 I would buy it to contribute to the work provided !

[cmadruga]

l'ecran de jeu est vraiment trop petit selon moi.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this is a good opportunity to discuss game design and some of the constraints one faces on the Intellivision.

The Intellivision being a tile based system imposes certain restrictions when trying to reproduce the proportions of what you see in other systems.

In H.E.L.I., there are 3 layers I use to build each screen: upper, middle and lower tiles. Each layer is drawn with 2 rows of tiles each.
I also use 1 extra row at the bottom, for the water that moves.

Anyway, that means I'm using 7 of the 12 rows available all the time.

Let's say I used an extra row for each layer (to make the game look bigger, as you suggest would be better), that would mean 10 tiles used for the game screen (3+3+3+1).

I did experiment with that early on, but there were two problems:
- Just having 2 rows available would mean somehow stacking together the energy bar, lives, TNT and score. That would look very busy.
- Sprites would have to double the vertical zoom. I tried doing that and the proportions of the protagonist and enemies did not work. I wish there was something like 1.5x vertical zoom for sprites, but the STIC does not offer that.

Anyway, I hope that helps provide some context.
How would you have approached it?

[cmadruga]

10€ ça fait chéros un jeu en démat inférieur à la version 2600 ! Sans moi...

Sorry you don't like it. 
I am interested in your feedback, if you would be willing to send me a message in private.

I haven't tried it but a member (@Putois Blagueur) gave us feedback. HERO on INTV is a good thing (although the original on VCS 2600 looks better) but I think $10 is too expensive for a demat version. At €5 I would buy it to contribute to the work provided !

Again, I would be interested in specific and constructive feedback.

When one says the "2600 looks better", I don't have a problem if that is because the person is missing multicolored sprites/background. That is something the Intellivision simply can't do. 
If you look at other ports such as Chopper Command or Seaquest (done previously), you won't see that implemented either.

Anyway, if you think $10 is too much, I respect it. 
$10 is more than what many people make in a month in certain parts of the world. Who am I to judge.

[cmadruga]

C'est étrange je pensai que c'était un Père Noël, vu la démo qui tournait, mais je n'ai 
pas bien suivi, certainement que la démo était dispo au moment de Noël, mais c'est 
clair que je préfère la version originale ci-dessus 

I know, the Christmas thing was a joke and I was not originally going to put it in the game. 
But then TIX (who did some of the graphics) put together these nice animations of Santa walking around with a rifle, and flying with a spinning hat. I could not resist :-)

In this final version of H.E.L.I., you have to use a special code to unlock Christmas Mode.

[rickyordi]

Je pense que vous avez développé ce jeu de la meilleure façon possible pour la console Intellivision.
La proportion de l'espace de jeu est suffisante pour faire évoluer le héros ( ) d'un étage à l'autre.

C'est parfait alors de pouvoir profiter du mode Noël en entrant un code 
J'ai hâte de faire tourner ce H.E.L.I. sur une console authentique 

[Putois Blagueur]

HELI se devait obligatoirement d'exister sur Intellivision, je l'attendais depuis si longtemps (plutôt HERO bien sûr mais avec les droits dur dur), il existe sur tellement de plateformes!
C'est un jeu agréable sur tous les supports (même zx spectrum ) , effectivement la version vcs présente un personnage + coloré, mais le bien est fait : il est là.
Il trône sur mon étagère fièrement

[rickyordi]

Je trouve tout de même que H.E.L.I. est un poil au-dessus meilleur que le H.E.R.O. de L'Atari 2600, le gus est pourtant bien coloré, 
4 couleurs, à part dans le noir ou il est tout en gris avec les Araignées et les Chauves-Souris, ce qui donne à mon avis un bon rendu, 
de plus ces bestioles ressemblent bien à ce qu'elles sont, comparées à la VCS...

[Matari]

C'est plus niveau jouabilité/gameplay que le jeu semble meilleur sur 2600, après je me trompe peut-être, ne l'ayant pas essayé...

[rickyordi]

Ah oui c'est sûr, quand les pads de @YannAros sortiront un jour, la jouabilité sera certainement meilleure 
après au niveau gameplay c'est pareil, se diriger, tirer et poser des bombes...

Il ne faut pas oublier non plus la musique assez bien adaptée pour ce jeu,
alors qu'il n'y en a aucune sur toutes les versions officielles (C64, A8, VCS)

Et comme l'indique @Putois Blagueur, maintenant il a le mérite d'exister sur l'Intellivision..

[YannAros]

Ah oui c'est sûr, quand les pads de @YannAros sortiront un jour, la jouabilité sera certainement meilleure 

Ca avance, lentement, mais ça avance...

[Matari]

Oh l'arnaque !

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/184902046176

[drfloyd]

tout de suite les grands mots, il l'a faite avec amour sa carte Micro SD ! 

[rickyordi]

Oh l'arnaque !
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/184902046176

Tiens je vais faire pareil, et moitié prix !
Comme ça je passe pour quelqu'un de super honnête non 

[YannAros]

10€ ça fait chéros un jeu en démat inférieur à la version 2600 ! Sans moi...

Sorry you don't like it. 
I am interested in your feedback, if you would be willing to send me a message in private.

I haven't tried it but a member (@Putois Blagueur) gave us feedback. HERO on INTV is a good thing (although the original on VCS 2600 looks better) but I think $10 is too expensive for a demat version. At €5 I would buy it to contribute to the work provided !

Again, I would be interested in specific and constructive feedback.

When one says the "2600 looks better", I don't have a problem if that is because the person is missing multicolored sprites/background. That is something the Intellivision simply can't do. 
If you look at other ports such as Chopper Command or Seaquest (done previously), you won't see that implemented either.

Anyway, if you think $10 is too much, I respect it. 
$10 is more than what many people make in a month in certain parts of the world. Who am I to judge.

Hi,

@cmadruga
Trying to give a constructive feedback on H.E.L.I, I think the game area should have been made bigger, instead of using 3 sections of 2 tiles vertically it would have been nicer with 3x3 tiles.
You would still have had 3 rows for the information to be displayed.
The sprites could remain almost as today and it would be closer to the Atari 2600 proportions.

Yannick

[cmadruga]

@yannaros

Thanks for the feedback. Please see my previous response to drfloyd on why I went with this design.

[YannAros]

@yannaros

Thanks for the feedback. Please see my previous response to drfloyd on why I went with this design.

I’ve missed your previous reply on this topic.
I understand the portion with sprite size.
The crowded information display could have been worked on I think, today I see it too empty

One thing to know also is that PAL consoles have a screen compressed vertically as the additional lines PAL provides are set to the border color

[cmadruga]

No problem.

Yes, it was either too much space, or not enough space for the display.

If sprite proportions had worked out, I would have done it 3x3 anyway. I would have just squeezed the display information somehow.

I'm trying to remember... I think I tested "3 x 2.5" back then as well. 
That was actually a 3x3 in disguise. I just made the bitmaps in some of the rows appear thinner.
I still was not happy with sprite proportions.

So I took a deep breath and went with 3 x 2.

[cmadruga]

I just ran jzintv in PAL mode and did not see a lot of difference. I wonder if the emulator reflects that correctly (the vertical compression).

Either way, I love the PAL palette, I think the game looks better than in NTSC. I also like how the speed feels.